c/c++ program
Hej
Findes der et program hvor man kan skrive sine cpp-filer og compile med tilhørene fejltekst i linux??
Jeg har lade mig erfare at det er g++ for c++ filer og gcc for c filer som bruges i terminalen, og man danner cpp-filerne i sin editor, men jeg ved ik hvilken editor der er den bedste at bruge ifm programmering.
I sin tid på windows var det borland compilerprogram jeg brugte, ligesom microsoft også lavede et oversætterprogram, senere brugte jeg eclipse, hvor hele moliviten var inde i programmet.
Findes det program overhovedet som jeg efterspørger til linux??
/allan
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Eclipse fungerer fint på
Eclipse fungerer fint på Linux.
HVILKET PROGRAM ER BEDST TIL PROGRAMMERING I ÅR2020
Hej ejvindh
Er der andre programmer ala borland eller er eclipse det man/fleste bruger ifm programmering??
/allan
Hvad man generelt bruger,
Hvad man generelt bruger, ved jeg ikke. Jeg har lært at holde af Eclipse, fordi den kan bruges til mange forskellige programmeringssprog.
Eclipse havde nok sin storhedstid i forbindelse med, at den var den primære indgangsvej til Android-programmering, og efter at Google forlod den strategi, er det mit indtryk, at Eclipse er lidt i aftagen.
Bruger generelt IntelliJ da
Bruger generelt IntelliJ da det også er værktøjet vi bruger på arbejdet og det kører skam ganske udmærket på Linux hvor jeg bruger community udgaven. Jeg bruger det så til udvikling af Java og Dart programmer men jeg kan se det også er muligt at programmere C og C++ programmer i det.
Før brugte jeg Eclipse som også virkede ganske fint og som også blev brugt på arbejdet før i tiden.
Er der andre programmer
#2: Er der andre programmer ala borland eller er eclipse det man/fleste bruger ifm programmering??
Prøv Lazarus. Det minder meget om Borlands Delphi.
Hej igen
Jeg har prøvet at
Hej igen
Jeg har prøvet at installere deb-filen, men min distro "xubuntu18.04" er angrebet af "snap" og det er derfor jeg installere deb-filer. Filen "lazarus-project_2.0.6-0_amd64.deb" gav fejlene som står i note 1 og jeg vil gerne undgå en reinstallation pga manglene overblik over hvad jeg har installeret siden nov2018 i min distro.
Jeg fik igår set/læst en hjemmeside LINKet til siden der skriver om 10 programmer:
1: Atom – Linux code editor
2: Brackets – Linux HTML Editor
3: Sublime Text 3 – An Amazing Text Editor
4: Vim (Free – GNU Compatible) Code Editor
5: Gedit – Integrated Development Environment
6: Bluefish – Linux HTML Editor
7: CodeLite – Linux Code Editor
8: Eclipse – IDE
9: Code::Blocks – Code Editor
10: Geany – Linux Text Editor
Jeg fandt også en anden side LINKet til siden der giver 5 programmer:
1: Atom
2: Vim
3: VS Code (Visual Studio Code)
4: Notepad++
5: Sublime Text
Og hvad skal jeg så bruge editoren/oversætteren til er det næste spørgsmål, og det er for at lære at skrive kode (stadigvæk i et program) samt makroer i basic i libreoffice.
Jeg har erfareret at verden ser meget anderledes ud idag end for 10-15års tid siden mht compilere/oversættere og så alligevel ik for man skal kende til programmerne.
/allan
note 1)
allan@linux:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i lazarus-project_2.0.6-0_amd64.deb
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dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of lazarus-project:
lazarus-project depends on libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.6.0); however:
Package libgtk2.0-dev is not installed.
lazarus-project depends on fpc-laz (= 3.0.4); however:
Package fpc-laz is not installed.
lazarus-project depends on fpc-src (= 3.0.4); however:
Package fpc-src is not installed.
dpkg: error processing package lazarus-project (--install):
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lazarus-project
IDE'er til C/C++
Jeg bruger typisk Vi(m) og kommandolinien, men har tidligere brugt Qt Creator og det er et ret komplet udviklingsmiljø. Qt Creator er et kommercielt produkt men der findes stadig en fri udgave (på samme vis som fx IntelliJ). Qt er cross platform og findes til Linux, MacOS og Windows.
Hvis man er til KDE ser KDevelop ret fornuftigt ud
Filen
#6: Filen "lazarus-project_2.0.6-0_amd64.deb" gav fejlene som står i note 1
Har du prøvet at installere med din pakkemanager (apt-get)?
#6: 3: VS Code (Visual Studio Code)
Det er en fremragende editor/IDE som jeg er blevet meget glad for. Virkelig god!
svar på #8 med ref til #6
Hej Marlar
Er VS Code ik microsoft (propritært)?? og deb-filen er commandoen "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" altså ik apt-get, men mener du installing via synaptic eller software storen??
./allan
Er VS Code ik microsoft
Er VS Code ik microsoft (propritært)??
Det er Open Source med en MIT licens:
https://github.com/microsoft/vscode
Ikke at jeg har brugt det men det lader til ret mange er glade for det.
men mener du installing
#9: men mener du installing via synaptic eller software storen??
Ja, via "software storen" (repositoriet),
#10: Ikke at jeg har brugt det men det lader til ret mange er glade for det.
Den er fremragende. For et par år siden installerede jeg Atom idet jeg havde brug for at arbejde med TypeScript. Den er også fin, men da jeg først prøvede VS Code var der ingen vej tilbage. Den er så meget bedre. Det ses også på populariteten på Stackoverflow, VSC har langt overhalet Atom.
svar på indlæg#11 med ref til #8 og #6
Hej marlar
For at starte med første punkt (se note 1) har jeg tidligere prøvet apt-get og erfaret at deb-filen giver bedre resultater generelt pga en fejl som jeg ik kan verificere (frogmaster har også prøvet i efteråret i år2019) og jeg mangler overblik over mine programmer installeret her på min xubuntu18.04.
Jeg må indrømme at software storen her i ubuntu har jeg glemt hvordan tilgåes pga at jeg har mere haft interesse i terminalen samt installation (primært gennem den) den vej rundt.
Nå jeg taler om undtagelser er det deb-filerne samt filer via wine.
./allan
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allan@linux:~$ sudo apt-get install lazarus
[sudo] password for allan:
Reading package lists... Done
Bulding dependency tree
Reading state infomation... Done
You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these.
The following packages have unmet dependencies.
lazarus : Depends: lazarus-1.8 but it is not going to be installed
youtube-dlg : Depends: python-wxgtk3.0 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: python-twodict (>= 1.2) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
Har du prøvet det som
Har du prøvet det som foreslås?
sudo apt --fix-broken install
jeg mangler overblik
#12: jeg mangler overblik over mine programmer installeret her på min xubuntu18.04.
Jeg er nødt til at bede om svar på hvad dit behov er.
Eksempelvis, er det et fungerende Linux LTS OS, for brugere i almindelighed, eller en udviklings platform for avancerede brugere?
Hvad er egentligt dit behov? ... Hvad forventer du, helt overordent, at en eller anden Linux, tiltænkt avancerede, fx Debian, MX Linux e.g., kan gøre for dig, som en LTS ikke kan?
Installerede programmer i 18.04 LTS er dækket ind fra distroens Programhåndtering, inklusiv Synaptis programmet.
Det er samtlige programmer, bortset fra visse manuelt installerede. Behøver du hjælp til dem? I så fald er det nødvendigt du explicit beskiver hvilke programmer det handler om.
Du har aldrig besvaret spørgsmålet og det er ikke tilfredstillende.
svar på indlæg#13 med ref til #11, #8 og #6
Hold da op og mange tak martin (se evt note 1)!!
DET HJALP IFM DEN ORANGE MARKERING NEDE VED URET I HØJRE HJØRNE AF SKRIVEBORDET!!
Jeg prøvede at køre kommandoen "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" i terminalen (note 2), men jeg vil lige vente med compilerprogrammet lidt endnu da jeg godt lige se nærmere på note 1 og 2.
MEN TAK ENDNU EN GANG MARTIN ;o))
./allan
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[sudo] password for allan:
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libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5 libx11-6 libx11-6:i386 libxcb-render0
libxcb-render0:i386 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-shm0:i386 libxcb1 libxcb1:i386 m4
po-debconf python-twodict python-wxgtk3.0 python-wxversion python3
python3-minimal python3.6 python3.6-minimal
Suggested packages:
autoconf-archive gnu-standards autoconf-doc dh-make dwz libtool-doc gfortran
| fortran95-compiler gcj-jdk m4-doc libmail-box-perl wx3.0-doc python3-doc
python3-tk python3-venv python3.6-venv python3.6-doc
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dh-strip-nondeterminism libarchive-cpio-perl
libfile-stripnondeterminism-perl libltdl-dev libmail-sendmail-perl
libsys-hostname-long-perl libtool libwxbase3.0-0v5 libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5 m4
po-debconf python-twodict python-wxgtk3.0 python-wxversion
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libpython3-stdlib libpython3.6 libpython3.6-minimal libpython3.6-stdlib
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libxcb-render0:i386 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-shm0:i386 libxcb1 libxcb1:i386
python3 python3-minimal python3.6 python3.6-minimal
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allan@linux:~$
note 2)
allan@linux:~$ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[sudo] password for allan:
Hit:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease [88,7 kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports InRelease [74,6 kB]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease [88,7 kB]
Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main amd64 Packages [846 kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main i386 Packages [638 kB]
Hit:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/alexx2000/doublecmd/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Hit:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/audio-recorder/ppa/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main Translation-en [296 kB]
Get:3 https://ftp.fau.de/ctan/systems/win32/miktex/setup/deb bionic InRelease [2.034 B]
Hit:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/bluetooth/bluez/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [294 kB]
Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/cpug-devs/ppa/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Get:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main DEP-11 48x48 Icons [73,8 kB]
Hit:15 http://ppa.launchpad.net/dhor/myway/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons [140 kB]
Get:17 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/restricted amd64 Packages [29,6 kB]
Err:3 https://ftp.fau.de/ctan/systems/win32/miktex/setup/deb bionic InRelease
The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 277A7293F59E4889 MiKTeX Packager
Get:18 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/restricted Translation-en [7.824 B]
Get:19 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe i386 Packages [1.006 kB]
Hit:20 http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu bionic InRelease
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Hit:23 http://ppa.launchpad.net/rolfbensch/sane-git/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Hit:24 http://ppa.launchpad.net/rolfbensch/sane-release/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Hit:25 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuhandbook1/shutter/ubuntu bionic InRelease
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Err:27 http://ppa.launchpad.net/cpug-devs/ppa/ubuntu bionic Release
404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.95.83 80]
Get:22 http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu bionic InRelease [15,4 kB]
Hit:28 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic InRelease
Err:21 https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com bionic InRelease
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A8580BDC82D3DC6C
Get:29 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe Translation-en [323 kB]
Get:30 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [264 kB]
Get:31 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe DEP-11 48x48 Icons [200 kB]
Get:32 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe DEP-11 64x64 Icons [451 kB]
Get:33 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/multiverse amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [2.464 B]
Get:34 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports/universe i386 Packages [4.024 B]
Get:35 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports/universe amd64 Packages [4.028 B]
Get:36 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports/universe amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [7.960 B]
E: Repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu bionic InRelease' changed its 'Label' value from 'gimp' to 'gimp stable'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
Do you want to accept these changes and continue updating from this repository? [y/N] y
Get:37 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security/main amd64 Packages [622 kB]
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Get:42 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security/universe i386 Packages [609 kB]
Get:43 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security/universe amd64 Packages [636 kB]
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Get:47 http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages [10,2 kB]
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Get:50 http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu bionic/main Translation-en [5.944 B]
Reading package lists... Done
W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://ftp.fau.de/ctan/systems/win32/miktex/setup/deb bionic InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 277A7293F59E4889 MiKTeX Packager
E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/cpug-devs/ppa/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com bionic InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A8580BDC82D3DC6C
N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'contrib/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
allan@linux:~$
sudo apt --fix-broken
sudo apt --fix-broken install
Udmærket. 1bot læs grundigt og forsøg, før du farer i blækhuset. Det kan være temmeligt irriterende, du ikke nærlæser en kommentar, du ovenikøbet selv har indsat ...
note 2)
Fejlene i note
#15: note 2)
Fejlene i note 2 betyder at du bruger nogle personlige repositorier (PPA) som ikke virker længere.
Fejlene i note 2
#17: Fejlene i note 2 betyder at du bruger nogle personlige repositorier (PPA) som ikke virker længere.
Okay, så er vel ik megetandet at gøre end at få overblik over programmerne og se at få reinstalleret til en ny distro, men tak alligevel for at du gad se note 2 igennem for det sagde mig ik særlig meget da jeg selv så den igennem.
./allan
lidt lnux-reflektion på mit første år siden nov2018
Hej igen
Jeg kom til at tænke på at jeg har også virkelig prøvet denne distro af, nok pga at det var den først og at jeg ville se hvad jeg kunne med linux, og jeg har fundet mange hjemmesider som jeg har fulgt mht ppa (nok for mange og derved det manglende overblik!!). Jeg er ihvertefald fået nok af ppa's og snap, som nok udmyndter sig i at jeg enten bruger apt (apt-get) eller henter deb-filen iformaf "dpkg -i *.deb".
DET HAR NOK VÆRET EN PRØVEBALLON, MEN OGSÅ EN LÆRERIG PROCES OG TAKKETVÆRE FORUMMET HERINDE HAR JEG LÆRT EN MASSE NYT - TAK FOR DET !!!
./allan